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Breaking news: Eugenics now legal in Delaware. Euthanasia for mentally disabled!
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The bill is quite restrictive too...I see no problems with it...
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I think you don't understand what "eugenics" means.
Eugenics is the science of improving the human species by selectively mating people with specific desirable hereditary traits. It's all about reproduction, gene manipulations to "breed" modified human beings. Much like dog selective breeding creates new "races" of dogs... It has nothing to do with euthanasia per se... An eugenicist wants to breed different kind of humans, like there are many kinds of dogs, Hitler's ideas were genocidal, he wanted there to be only 1 kind of dog... It's very different.
And as for you being "euthanized", first YOU have to ask for it... No one can ask FOR you, it's not permitted, at all... If you don't want to be euthanized, you won't be, period...
The process is extremely regulated, have you read the bill?
First you, yourself, have to ask for it, no one can ask in your name... Then, not 1 but 2 physicians must certify that you are terminally ill with no chance of surviving... Those doctors MUST make sure you can consent, if your mental illness is so profound that you cannot consent, then they'll deny you the right to die on your terms... It's much stricter than elsewhere in the world... I wouldn't worry if I were you...
Also, people die, that's what they do, disabled or not we all die and we've got to come to terms with it... It's one of the most personal choice one can make.
See, I had no choice but to exist, it was imposed on me and I have no choice but to cease to exist at some point, this is also imposed on me... So as the outcome was set before I even knew I had begun, the only choices I can possibly make are when (now or not) and how (by myself or not)...
And this question is continuously asked, like a loop, deep within the inner sub-routines of my consciousness. It just so happens that I'm, for the moment, continuously answering "not" to both question...
For the moment I chose "death by existence" as my preferred method of suicide... So far so good! But if health fails me before the cosmos kills me, I won't wait around and will face oblivion on my own terms.
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Yes, I did mention forced sterilization in my first comment...
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Also @YeshuaBought please read the actual bill land not just a news report about it before you jump to conclusions and get whipped into a frenzy. This bill is a far cry from what you think it is. This comes from the link to the actual bill in the source that you linked.
"The bill clarifies the procedures necessary for making the request, including 1) the presentation of all end of life options which include comfort care, hospice care, and pain control, 2) a physician’s evaluation, 3) medical confirmation by a second physician, 4) psychiatric/psychological counseling when indicated, 5) the passage of two waiting periods, and 6) the completion of a formally witnessed request for prescribed medication. The bill provides many safeguards to ensure the patient is making an informed decision, the right to rescind any request for medication, and immunity for persons participating in good faith compliance with the procedures. When the process is followed with its safeguards, the terminally ill patient is provided the right to receive medication to peacefully end the patient’s life in a humane and dignified manner."
This sounds nothing like forced anything to me, or eugenics in the slightest.
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?? I see................. Oh well, I tried...
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Besides, euthanasia is a form of assisted suicide. There are many other forms of suicide, assisted and not, and outlawing euthanasia would not in itself outlaw suicide as a whole.
I do not have any problem with people voluntarily choosing to die. Granted, I believe the decision to commit suicide to be the worst possible decision one can make in their life, and those who choose to go down that path lose any compassion from me momentarily - but, unlike certain others on this website, I am not interested in imposing my views on others. Their lives are their own to live and to take if they so desire.
You dislike freedom so much, except for yourself... You want to force others to pay for your healthcare, but you yourself are not willing to pay for their education in evolution. You want to sterilize mentally disabled people, and you do not want them to have a choice in the matter of whether to keep living - but you somehow must be guaranteed the right to live upon your request. You constantly keep talking about how much you love Jesus, yet throwing snarly remarks at everyone who does as much as say one word you dislike.
Many religious followers are like that, only interested in controlling others and do not care much about actually important things in life, such as freedom, happiness and pleasure. They want to put an iron boot on and reshape the world in their image, regardless of what everyone else thinks about that image.
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I am not sure what you are doing on this website. You never put up any sort of argument, you just post negative comments over and over.
My advice is for you to read more books, so you can improve both your reading comprehension and your ability to write well. The Bible alone is not going to make you a decent debater.
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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Just to clarify, though, the difference between assisted suicide and euthanasia has largely been defined by a person's agency. If a person can administer the means of suicide themselves and a doctor merely prescribes it, then it's assisted suicide. If a person cannot do so and someone else must administer the means to end their lives, it's euthanasia.
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The link you cited is from a priest who seems to make it up as he goes along , the game is always the same unless yous make out you’re being demonized and singled out for unfair treatment yous have nothing to whine about so yous have to invent something new every time
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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First, let me clear up some definitions;
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary;
Eugenics is defined as; the practice or advocacy of controlled selective breeding of human populations (as by sterilization) to improve the population's genetic composition (Source)
Euthanasia is defined as; the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (such as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy. (Source)
Utilitarianism is defined as; a theory that the aim of action should be the largest possible balance of pleasure over pain or the greatest happiness of the greatest number. (Source)
As @Plaffelvohfen stated, "Eugenics and assisted suicide are quite different things". And I feel that @YeshuaBought doesn't understand that they are in fact different. As I and many others have defined that Eugenics and Euthanasia as two completely things and that must not be overlooked when discussing this topic. I would like to address @YeshuaBought rebuttal to Plaffelvohfen You don't have a problem with mentally disabled people dying? I am mentally disabled" As we can clearly see "and want to LIVE. This will lead to forced euthanasia, which Adolf Hitler would support. Suicide IS eugenics when it's legal." Yes, you want to live, but for some people, it is too painful to live. People with terminal illnesses and their very existence is a pain. Euthanasia is assisted suicide and is in no way related to Eugenics and her argument collapses in on itself.
I will end it here because my computer is almost dead, but I leave my text open for retaliation from the only person who, for some reason, is offended by the unrealistic relationship of Eugenics and Euthanasia, @YeshuaBought. Thank you.
"Streite nicht mit einem Idioten, sie werden dich auf ihr Niveau herunterziehen und dich mit Erfahrung schlagen." -Mark Twain
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Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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"Streite nicht mit einem Idioten, sie werden dich auf ihr Niveau herunterziehen und dich mit Erfahrung schlagen." -Mark Twain
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You are the only one around here advocating against people's rights. Nobody denies your right to live. I told you many times already: "right" and "guarantee" are different things. Nobody is going to actively take your life, but people can stop supporting your life artificially when they deem it reasonable.
If you are plugged into a machine, but are unconscious, hurting and have no visible prospect of ever recovering - then it is only reasonable to unplug the machine and let you expire naturally. There is no reason to keep you "alive" (or, rather, undead?) when you are not really a living being and are just a knot of failing nerves and reflexes.
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This isn't a black and white issue - there's a reason that many countries legally allow euthanasia, and it's mainly because a lot of people can't speak or act for themselves, requiring some external actor to make decisions for them. That situation is, unfortunately, true of a number of disabled people. They can't speak for themselves. You can, and you're able to say whether or not you wish to take any given action, as well as pursue that action for yourself. If you wanted to commit suicide (not saying you do, nor am I encouraging it), you could actively pursue it by any means you wish. If, on the other hand, you were put into a coma tomorrow, you would no longer have that ability, and your family would have to make choices regarding your well-being. Depending on whether or not you left behind sufficient information to know what you wanted (say, a living will), you might impart all or most of the information they require to make those decisions. But not everyone leaves behind that kind of information, and people have to make difficult decisions for their loved ones. For better or worse, sometimes the decision to force someone to keep on living, particularly when they are enduring great suffering, is more cruel than bringing an end to their lives.
All this is to say that I'm not dictating who should live and who should die. It's not my choice, nor have I ever declared it to be my choice. I'm stating that the decision exists, and sometimes, it's not in the hands of the individual whose life is on the line. That's just a matter of fact - very few people get to choose how their lives end, and it's all the more unfortunate for those who have very little choice in the directions their lives take, such as those with severe disabilities. I am recognizing that fact and stating that there should exist methods to ensure a right to death with dignity just as much as there exists a right to life.
You seem rather dismissive of my argument without actually addressing it, though I know this is your usual modus operandi. You don't really care what people who think differently from you argue because, at the end of the day, we disagree with you and therefore we are wrong. And our prize for being wrong is to be told that we're awful human beings. Huzzah.
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You're meandering a bit in your response, so it dips into a number of different topics. I will say that I don't think it's reasonable to designate any of these practices as eugenic in nature. The choice to sterilize oneself, for example, is largely not based in a desire to self select ourselves out of the gene pool. Abortion may sometimes be utilized to prevent the birth of a child with a deleterious genetic illness, but it's not inherently or solely used for that purpose. Death with dignity is probably the least associated with eugenics out of the bunch, since it's not based in restricting the passing on of genes (which is kind of the whole thing behind eugenics), but rather the persistence of one life, most often the life of someone who is elderly and either can't or is exceedingly unlikely to pass on their genes in any case. The same is true for the death penalty and torture, both practices that do not inherently restrict gene pools. What you seem to be arguing against, if I'm getting the correct picture, is any practice that aims to devalue persons in any form on the basis of their perceived inferiority. On that level, I think we're in agreement that all these practices can do that, though I don't think any of them inherently do. You would have to force these practices, or in some way coerce people to do them, in order for this to be true in all cases.
That being said, I understand the desire for consent, and I accept that consent is a necessity where it can be obtained. The question is, what do you do in circumstances where it cannot be obtained? From the sound of it, you do believe that disabled people without the capacity to consent do warrant the right to death with dignity, though you would impose "safeguards" of some sort to address abuses. I'm interested in what you would have in mind for such safeguards. Who gets to make these decisions for others, and under what circumstances should those decisions be allowed?
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As for your question, I haven't ever said, nor will I ever say, that someone with the capacity to consent should ever be overruled in terms of what they can do with their own bodies, particularly when it comes to a life or death decision. When consent is possible, I don't think there are many people who would disagree that it's absolutely necessary.
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I WOULD, though, if it stands that these retarded ( I don't like the term, but he uses worse), folks can be euthanized, I would advise the current occupier of the White House to kind'a "circumvent" Delaware in the future. Someone could mist … um … confuse him for one in … need.?? ;-)
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